August 15, 2007 - 5:42pm
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N.J. voters back gay marriage, poll says

The majority of New Jersey voters say that they would not be upset if the state legalized gay marriage, according to a Zogby Poll commissioned by Garden State Equality, a gay advocacy group.

63% of those polled said that they would have no problem if “public officials in New Jersey come to the conclusion that civil unions for gay couples have not worked to provide equality under the law” and granted gay couples the right to marry.

“Here’s the bottom line, the people of New Jersey are ready right now to change the failing civil unions law to real marriage equality,” said Steven Goldstein, President of Garden State Equality.

A much smaller majority, 48.1%, agreed with the statement that “New Jersey should give gay couples the same freedom to marry as heterosexual couples.” 44.6% disagreed.

But when the same question was phrased differently, a small majority of respondents were against gay marriage by a margin of 49.1% to 47.5%. Of that majority, 29.6 % said they were in favor of civil unions but not marriage, while another 19.5 % said they were opposed to both. But Goldstein said those numbers aren’t troubling.

“Wherever you might stand for marriage equality, for or against, you’re overwhelmingly likely to be ready for the legislature to change the law for marriage equality,” said Goldstein.

Regardless of personal opinion, however, the vast majority of those polled expected gay marriage to become legal in New Jersey with the next couple years, 61.2% to 28.3%, and only 20.8% thought that legislators would be in any danger of losing an election of they voted to allow same sex marriage.

Conservative strategist Rick Shaftan thought that the poll was intended to dissuade Republicans from using gay marriage as a campaign issue. In some districts, Shaftan said, Democratic legislators would not want to be confronted about their stances on the issue.

“You’re not going to see Democrats campaigning on it. It’s not going to show up in their literature,” said Shaftan. “This poll is designed to do one thing: intimidate the Republicans into not campaigning on this issue. And it will probably work, because there is no more spineless group than the Republican leadership in New Jersey.”

Matt Friedman is a PolitickerNJ.com Reporter and can be reached via email at matt@politicsnj.com.

Related topics: Steven Goldstein, Rick Shaftan

Comments

Gay Marriage


While the bias of this study is obvious, I doubt Garden State Equity would say otherwise it should be noted that Gay Marriage should be legal. Or we should all have to get Civil Unions-you cant have unequal rights under our system.

08/15/07 7:01 pm

Marriage Equality


Just how is this poll biased? Just because one doesn't like the results?  Zogby International is one of the most respected pollsters in the world because they conduct fair and unbiased polls. This is why Zogby was chosen to conduct the poll. The questions were perfectly straight forward with no tricks. These poll results are perfectly in line with the trend that has been happening in New Jersey over the past couple of years. New Jersey citizens have realized in increasing number that equal rights are paramount, that separate is not equal, and there is nothing to fear about marriage equality.

Leslie Farber

08/15/07 8:04 pm

Amen.


As a gay New Jerseyan and American, I simply don't understand why anybody would want me not to have the same rights as they have. I didn't have a choice to be gay, so why should I be penalized for being who G-d made me?

08/15/07 8:10 pm

Civil Unions are a start...


Gay marriages are the right ending. Full, unqualified rights to gays and lesbians is the answer; N.J. has been a microcosm to come up with that conclusion, since problems with insurance, hospital visits and other routine heterosexual rights have already come up for civil unionized couples. Make no mistake, though: we should be *very* proud of being one of the first states to allow civil unions -- it's just the protection and rights granted under the law need to go further.

08/15/07 10:20 pm

I'd support it.


While I am for marriage equality, simply because it really doesn't bother me what people want to do with their lives and I'm personally not a real religious person, I don't know what to think about this specific poll.

I think any poll that has Corzine approvals in the 60's and Bush approvals in the 40's has got one interesting batch of people as their sample and may not truly represent the state.

I think this is something we can all agree with on here.(about the poll that is) 

They should honestly make marriage equality a ballot question. I would support it, I think it is a generational change and I'm part of the younger generation that was taught to be much more tolerant and not to discriminate.

I understand however, why one's moralty would get in the way and why most religious institutions would not want to marry a homosexual couple.

But I feel this isn't about their community wanting to get married in churches or places of religion, it's about equality and personally I don't see anything wrong with it.

I do understand and respect why people oppose it, if it is on moral grounds that is. (Not because they think homosexuals choose to be that way)

08/15/07 11:02 pm

its Property tax affodability, corruption and illegals


These are the issues period. The rest are window dressing to muddy the waters.

08/16/07 7:44 am

here's my question


I am asking this honestly and not as a flame or anything. How can the state codify "love"? I am a single straight man, and I don't get to bestow benefits on anyone. If it's strictly about the benefits (health care, etc.), then shouldn't every person be able to choose someone to give those perks to, regardless of a situation of some sort of unspoken and undefined physical relationship? I think it's anti-single to say that you have to marry someone, man or woman, to take advantage of sharing benefits. Because if you say, "Well you have to have a mutual physical relationship with someone to qualify." I would say that is patently unfair. Just because I'm unlovable! (www.myspace.com/pstchrisp) If you say, "That's what civil unions are for." Then I'd say that GSE's arguments can not be about equal rights in terms of benefits but something else (which is fine). Zogby's polls are sometimes the only ones that get it right, but more often then not he's way off. I think he had Kerry winning with about 320 EV's the day before Election Day '04.

08/16/07 8:11 am

If this poll is accurate,


Steven Goldstein and GSE should be more than confident to have gay marriage put to a vote instead of using a state supreme court that legislates from the bench to get what they want.

Steven, put your money where your mouth is. Let the people decide instead of being a manipulative Fascist.

What say you, Steven?

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."- Winston Churchill

08/16/07 9:06 am

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On one point no one is asking religious institutions to marry anyone. I was denied marriage in a Catholic church I married a woman. However, that said the point here is that the state has to recognize all unions equally. IF you do not call it marriage than it is not equal to marriage. This is perhaps the most relevant SUpreme Court Case on this issue "Seperate but Equal" cannot exist in this country. My questions about the poll are sincere-I doubt Corzine's approval is in the 60s and that Bush's are in the 40s that gives me reason to say that the sample might be poor. However, I believe that most NJ residents either support Gay Marriage or could care less about the issue.

08/16/07 9:20 am

polls are crap and not to be taken seriously.


We hear that New Jerseyans want gay marriage and an end to capital punishment. From whom you ask? From polls, those nameless, faceless, manipulated things that ask questions about social issues. "They" ask these questions to everyone but you and me.

 Since these social engineers who push these polls are so concerned about what New Jerseyans think, one would think they would push for state voter referendums on these issues. Why leave something as important as gay marriage or capital punishment up to the whims of politicians? But I suspect they realize the falacious nature of the claims they make about these issues.

When the state wants to, it will ask the voters on important social issues. Casino gambling only came into being after we citizens apporoved it in a referendum in November, 1976. LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE!

08/16/07 10:02 am

Shaftan is right about our GOP


Hillary Clinton has more male anatomy than the NJ GOP Republican followship.

This is a winning issue for Republicans that has long tentacles into the traditional Democrat constituency.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin
08/16/07 1:24 pm

What kind of human decency?


Why should my right to live my life be a "winning issue" for hatemongers?

08/16/07 2:39 pm

Let's vote on it!


If this poll is so accurate, the "gay" community should be anxious to move forward, let's do a real poll at the voting booth. No Zogby poll can count as a true position of the people, that is why we have elections.

I am so sick of this!!!!!  It is in my face every single day like it is the great issue of the time.  Poverty, war, the fiscal ruin of the state, unemployment.... need I go on?  This is crazy... a few want to practice their own brand of relationship, and make everyone say it's ok..... because it is about THEM, all of the other issues mentioned earlier must be pushed off so we address the gay issue.  Talk about selfish!

 Let these posters tell me the gay issue is so important that we should deal with THEM instead of addressing billions in unfunded state liabilities, crumbling bridges, the welfare of our seniors, or education !!!!!!!!!!!!!  SO SICK OF THIS!!!!!!! 

Give it up.... ask the voters the question so we can get on with the real business.   If the gay community goes any other path than a vote of the people I MUST BELIEVE THAT THIS IS JUST A DIVERSION to keep us all occupied. 

08/16/07 4:09 pm

I agree.


Hmm...the conservatives didn't seem to mind spending an inordinate amount of time pressing the issue back when it was a winner for them in '04. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, how conveniently they cry foul. Perhaps it doesn't seem important at all to those who would abridge the rights of others (if only they had the backing)...I'll bet those white southerners didn't feel that all that clamoring from the African-Americans about equal rights and respect was worthy of the public's time either. Though, on the other hand, if we finally just made it legal, the issue would be closed and we could move on.

So, let's indeed put it to a vote...but when the voters say "aye," watch the conservatives run to the courts to try to enjoin the initiative. Judges are only "activist" when they disagree with conservatives, after all ;-).

08/16/07 9:17 pm

So we agree


Put it on the ballot.

08/16/07 11:01 pm

Agreed


Yup. Lets give this one to the people of New Jersey. I know how I'm voting and I'm willing to bet It would be different than some of the people on here going off about the issue.

Prepare to hear the wrath on how they word the question though.

08/17/07 10:10 am

How about these?


Progressives/moderates: "Should the legal definition of marriage extended to encompass the union of any two adult, consenting human beings?" Conservatives: "Should we all condemn ourselves to eternal hellfire by allowing Satan to run amok in our midst, which will inevitably happen if New Jersey transforms itself into Gomorrah and allows any two people who want to to be married?"

08/17/07 11:54 am

Penn


Penn, get a life. Yes, put it on the ballot and watch how moderate, independents vote. And please, don't give me that bull about equality. It's a red herring. You can't compare apples to oranges, (no pun intended about fruit).

08/17/07 1:55 pm

The fact that you included the comment about the pun...


means you did intend it, or at least you regularly use the term fruit derogatively in your everyday life. If you didn't you would have let it go. Says alot about you.

08/17/07 2:57 pm

I agree with:


"Should the legal definition of marriage extended to encompass the union of any two adult, consenting human beings?"

Although Ultra-Conservatives might argue homosexuals are not human beings.

Sad but true.

And this is coming from a straight registered Republican folks. (Although if it was up to Joe my party membership would probably be burned)

08/18/07 12:36 am

Red herring?


And what is the equality "argument" intended to divert attention from? Is the actual motive the desire to wantonly corrupt the moral fiber of the nation?

08/18/07 9:38 am

Penn


Sorry Penn, "Equality" as used by gay folks is a buzzword used to legitimitize their quest for marriage to be added to their relationships. It is a fallacy. As I said you can't compare apples to oranges. Civil unions with all the rights of heterosexual folks, yes; marriage, no! Marriage to me is a sacred and natural part of human society.  Please don't give me the tired arguments about divorce rates, abused children, ad nauseum. Gay folks are human and have the same positive and negative attributes as staight folks. The lawyers and judges are smacking their lips and wringing their hands at all the legal work that will come their way, even with civil unions. No, I don't believe the actual motive is to corrupt the moral fiber of the nation, and no, straight marriages will not  be belittled to a great extent.  Gay marriage is another item to add to the ever growing list of moral corruption. Its sad.

08/18/07 5:49 pm

Don't confuse "natural" with "sacred."


Marriage may be "sacred" (to some more than others it would seem), but it is not "natural" in the sense that it is based on the laws of science. Being gay, however, ultimately is...just as being straight is. It's hard-wired into the way our brains work, how our neurons fire and the chemistry of our synapses and glands. You may be able to swing religion however you wish to fit your argument, but the laws of science are immutable and apolitical. Just out of curiosity, how can you feel that gays are not actually out to "corrupt the moral fiber of the nation" and yet simultaneously belong on the "ever growing list of moral corruption," ostensibly right up there with believing in global warming and evolution?

08/18/07 11:55 pm