The leader of New Jersey's largest gay rights organization has endorsed Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination. Steven Goldstein, the Chairman of Garden State Equality, said that Clinton is his personal choice, and that his organization will not make an endorsement before the February 5, 2008 New Jersey primary.
"I wish all the presidential candidates with a realistic shot to win the nomination were pro-marriage equality. None are. Within that context, Senator Clinton's support for the LGBTI community is as strong as any of the other candidates who have the most realistic shot to win," said Goldstein, who managed Jon Corzine's 2000 U.S. Senate campaign.
Friends, I endorse Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for President. The organization I lead, Garden State Equality, is staying out of the Presidential primaries. First, Garden State Equality's primary mission is to affect statewide public policy, and secondly, many leaders and members in our organization support different candidates. That's a good thing for the LGBTI community.
But for me personally, the choice is clear. Whereas each of the leading Democratic contenders would make a fine president, it's ultimately about bringing competence and maturity back to the Oval Office. I want to see a return of seasoning, superstar staff, up-close knowledge of the Presidency and of executive power as a force for tremendous good. Our country's next leader must end George W. Bush's Romper Roomification of the Presidency.
Senator Clinton is one of the most experienced, well-credentialed leaders who's ever run for the presidency of the United States. Her depth on public policy issues is the most impressive in the current field of candidates, as she proves in the debates. It's not enough to speak of hope or of two Americas. I want details, not salesmanship. I want the ultimate anti-Bush, which Senator Clinton personifies.
She won't have to learn on the job -- we have that kind of disaster in the White House now. Senator Clinton has the skills to hit the ground running on Day One to repair the havoc wreaked on Washington by national Republican radicalism.
She's already earned the scars from being a national leader at the cutting edge of progressive public policies. She was a visionary ahead of her time on health care, and never stopped fighting for it. She was an advocate for children decades before fighting for children became a fashionable cause and clause. And she's been one of the Senate's leading advocates for an aggressive national environmental policy that addresses global warming.
Like Senator Clinton, I once worked as a lawyer for the U.S. House Judiciary Committee. There my focus was protecting on a woman's right to choose, a cause that means as much to me as marriage equality. Senator Clinton is one of the great pro-choice leaders in American history. She's also one of America's most brilliant lawyers. The judges she'd appoint would make our country proud.
Senator Clinton has also been outstanding on LGBTI issues. That said, let me address one issue head-on, because winning marriage equality in New Jersey, as you know, is these days much of my life's work.
New Jersey's civil unions law is one of the great civil rights disasters of our time. Employers in New Jersey are failing to recognize civil unions at least 1 in 8 times because they want the word "marriage," demonstrating that civil unions do not provide all the state rights and benefits of marriage simply without the name. My colleagues and I spend part of every weekday counseling civil-unioned couples in tears because they still don't have adequate health care or financial security. We have huge momentum toward winning a marriage equality statute in New Jersey in the next two years or less.
In a progressive state like New Jersey, being pro-marriage equality is not just good public policy, it's also good politics. No elected official in New Jersey, especially now that the failure of New Jersey's civil unions law is such common knowledge, should ever be given a pass in supporting real equality -- marriage equality.
I wish all the presidential candidates with a realistic shot to win the nomination were pro-marriage equality. None are. Within that context, Senator Clinton's support for the LGBTI community is as strong as any of the other candidates who have the most realistic shot to win.
I am proud to support Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for President. She's among the most tested and proven people who have ever run for President. She'll make a great one.
I hope you'll join me in supporting her.
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Hate Group Support
I guess this means that Hillary Clinton now has the backing of the head of one of New Jersey's biggest hate groups.
Gay and lesbian activists and groups are some of the angriest, most miserable, hate filled, intollerant people and organizations walking the planet. They are no better in their rhetoric than the Black Panthers or the KKK.
These people want to force their lifestyle and the acceptance thereof on everybody and if you disagree with them or even dare to speak out against them, you are labeled a bigot when it is infact they themselves who are bigots who attempt to silence their oppostion through slander. Steve Goldstein is a slanderous thug who is the head of New Jersey's Gay Mafia and is attempting to force gay marriage down people's throats in New Jersey the same way it's being done through activist courts since it's been rejected in the voting booths of sixteen states. Goldstein knows full well that if put to a vote, the people of New Jersey would reject gay marriage by a landslide margin. The man knows no shame.
But I guess talking like this makes me sound like Hitler right? That's usually one of the first things these people will say.
Typical gay mafia rhetoric.
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
Hate?
Wow...Talk about hate....what a hypocrite.
Care to elaborate on that
Care to elaborate on that rather than prove me right?
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
Poor Choice, Disgusting Post
Dino's post is a substance-less, angry diatribe against those who seek equal rights for all citizens, regardless of race, gender or sexual orientation. I would hope that moderate Republicans cringe when such comments as those that compare Garden State Equality with the "gay mafia," "bigots," and "intollerant [sic] people" are made from one of their fringe-right fellow Republicans.
A few months ago, when Gen. Pace called homosexuality "immoral," between Obama, Edwards, and Clinton, only one candidate immediately repudiated his comments when asked whether they though homosexuality was immoral, and that was Edwards. Both Obama and Clinton eventually said they disagreed, but they had to consult with their advisors first before committing to a position.
If you're going to support a pro-choice candidate, then support Edwards, who is unwavering in his support of a woman's right to choose and has former NARAL head Kate Michelman signed onto his campaign.
I find it disheartening that a candidate such as Kucinich, who takes a courageous stand in favor of marriage equality, is disregarded by Garden State Equality's head in favor of a centrist like Clinton.
This is an endorsement for a candidate who has not been the strong leader for GLBTI issues that the press release claims, and it marks a day for me that I am incredibly disappointed with the endorsement from the head of a progressive organization that I hold in the highest esteem.
Elaborate
I don't think my comment needs any elaboration. Just the way the hate filled comments spew out of your mouth are elaboration enough. You don't give specifics, you just go off on a group of people that have been beaten, spat upon and murdered over years of discrimination just because they are different than you. Maybe you would be somewhat angry also if that kept happening over and over and over to you throughout the years. Even today, as evidenced by your hate filled rantings, it obviously is still going on in a supposedly enlightened state. And you are correct in stating that it makes you sound like Hitler...he also spewed the same sentiments against homosexuals...only he had the power to send them to concentration camps. I'm also sure that if you and your hate filled friends had that power they would still be going.
Maybe you should look into joining the Westboro Baptist Church. Seems like you would fit right in.
Dino
If you want to compare LGBTI civil rights groups to the KKK, that's your call. This is a free country and a free-speech blog. But no, I will not compare you to Hitler. I lost family in the Holocaust. Before working on LGBTI civil rights issues, I helped survivors of the Holocaust get reparations. I respect your political views but plead with you to keep this angle out. It cuts very deeply to me and my family. Again, I plead with you - call me, my organization or other LGBTI activists the biggest bums in the world. Anything you want. Please, just not this. I ask you this with all my heart.
Playing victim
These guys play victim. They are very good at it. In reality you see a group of greedy individuals who not only want to force their lifestyle on everyone else but get the rest of us to pay for it. This is only about one thing, MONEY and how much of it can end up in Goldstein's pocket.
See the game here, compare gay activists to Holocaust victims. Therefore those who are against Gay Marriage are Nazis.
The history of the Gay Rights movement has been to equate opponents with Nazis. Steve is an expert at that.
Goldstein's pious "I am better than you" crap is wearing thin. Unfortunately he still continues to intimidate legislators more afraid of being called names than standing up for their constituents.
I decline a salary completely
as the full-time head of Garden State Equality. I always have and I will continue to. Also, please find one place, where you say "Steve is an expert at it" in which I have ever invoked anything about the Holocaust era. It is impossible to describe the hurtfulness of the invocation of the Holocaust by others in this thread, particularly when I've lost family in the Shoah. PS I've never gone by Steve.
Who's backing who?
Isn't Golstein backing Bill?
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." Thomas Paine
Steve
Steve, one thing I can say for you is that you're very good at what you do. Does this mean Steve, that you get offended when people on your side of the aisle call the President of the United States a nazi? Were you outraged when liberal activists held up pictures of Rudy Giuliani in New York City with Hitler mustaches after the Amadou Diallo incident? I must say that your outrage is very selective.
Steve, how about a man who your organization slandered by the name of Larry Giancola, a registered Democrat from Hudson County who happened to be a devoutly religious Protestant Evangelical who dared to do a radio ad delcaring himself a Democrat who supported Tom Kean Jr. over Bob Menendez? His named was dragged through the mud in a press release that was posted on this very website. Did your group ever apologize to him?
You and people who think like you can spin and call all the names you want to discredit anything I have said here but cannot and will not acknowledge your own hatreds and prejudices.
I realize Steve that I'm not dealing with a dummy here. I just hope you realize that you aren't dealing with one either. Therefore, don't insult my intelligence any further than you already have.
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
Garden State Equality Vitriol
http://nj.politicsnj.com/garden-state-equality-2
Bravo Steve, Bravo.
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
forcing a lifestyle?
Could Dino or one of the other right-wingers please explain to me how allowing two consenting adults to marry "forces their lifestyle" on someone else?
We're not forcing you to marry a man, Dino. We're just saying people should be left alone, and not singled out for discriminatory treatment.
Isn't that what small government, civil libertarian Republicans are all about?
Dino
You are amazing. You go on the attack immediately with generalities about some imaginary gay groups to slam a specific person who made an endorsement, then pretend to be the poor aggrieved truth-teller.
If you can find evidence of Steven or any other director of Garden State Equality using a Hitler reference when describing a political opponent I will eat my hat. But you can't, because they haven't.
And I regularly slam people for using Nazi and Hitler references when talking about President Bush or anyone else. By doing so, people minimize the horrors and evils of the Nazis. It's ridiculous.
But idiots on the left wing is not alone in calling people Nazis. When have you blasted Rush Limbaugh for using the word "feminazi"? My guess is never.
The use of this epithet doesn't belong to any one side of the political spectrum, and is equally odious for both.
If I had a dollar for every time ...
... someone on this site called somebody they disagreed with a "nazi", "fascist" or "racist", I could self-fund a run for US Senate or Governor. Empty headed hyperbole only serves to cheapen an honest debate while offending those who actually suffered at the hands of such minions of evil. In my opinion, the term "marriage" is most appropriately considered an ecclesiastical term that refers to a religious sacrament in which a man and woman (or for others, simply two people) pledge their love and fidelity before their God, family and friends. The notion that marriage is a creature of statute requiring the ascent of a local bureaucrat is anathema to the concept of freedom of religion. The state's interest therein should be limited to recordation of the given union (gay or straight), protecting those under the age of consent, preventing incest and curtailing bigamy. Other than that, the state should refer to ALL civil unions as just that -- civil unions. As a Christian, I find it highly objectionable that I require the blessing of the state to somehow validate the vows I take before my God. Marriage existed well before the rise of nations and will remain after countries are subsumed in the sands of time. If a particular church, synagogue or mosque chooses to perform gay marriages and thereby bless the union in a religious context, they should have that right under the 1st Amendment. They are accountable to Almighty God for their actions, not the United States Government. Sadly, the entire gay marriage debate is essentially a red herring used by both the left and right to advance their political interests. The most constitutionally coherent solution to this mess is to have the state consider all unions "civil" while allowing individual religious organizations to perform a marriage sacrament as they deem appropriate.
Antithesis of a hate group
In my view, Garden State Equality is for building up people's rights -- not tearing others down. If they stand up to those trying to oppress others, kudos to them. That no way justifies calling them a hate group.
And I thought conservatives were all about responding with force.
what in the world is wrong
what in the world is wrong with asking for equal rights?
ambrosiajr
"Maybe you should look into joining the Westboro Baptist Church. Seems like you would fit right in."
Funny, but the more you talk, the more you keep proving me right. You aren't discrediting anything I have said here.
Furthermore, groups like Garden State Equality are merely the extreme opposite of the Westboro Baptist Church. If you don't agree with their fringe, extremist point of view, they treat you like garbage.
Also, whether you love me, hate me, or love to hate me, anybody here can tell you that I am the farthest thing from an antisemite on this blog. I am staunchly pro Israel and have supported military action against Iran and continue to do so for the sake of Israel's security so that arguement is not going to wash here.
What's wrong with asking for equal rights? Absolutely nothing. The problem is that that's not what Garden State Equality does. They do the exact opposite. In reality they are chipping away at everybody else's equal rights to disagree with them. That's why they and groups just like them all over the country use the judicial system to get what they want and use bullying tactics, either aggressive or passive aggressive to silence any and all opposition.
I also can't help but notice that Steve has remained silent on his and GSE's slander of Larry Giancola.
Silence sure does speak volumes.
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
Giancola
Was a racist who was rightly called out by the Menendez campaign. The Kean campaign thought it had scored a coup when it found a Democrat to endorse Junior but started whining when it came to light that the Democrat was actually a bonehead-nobody with objectionable views.
Who loses?
Giancola is a freedom-hater. If he can't stand being called out for his words, he shouldn't say them.
I'm a straight white male. When two guys get married, my rights stay the same.
Is Goldstein on a high horse from time to time? I can agree with that, but at least he's doing it for the right thing.
2 things
A) Dino is a bigoted idiot and I don't know why people are even responding to him. Just feel bad for him and move on. The guy is an idiot, why acknowledge him? B) This is a sad day for progressives that one of the leaders of the progressive movement in NJ, Steven Goldstein, is backing probably the least progressive candidate for president. This woman could not even say General Pace was wrong when he say homosexuality is immoral. When confronted by a reporter, she said 'no comment' even though she told the reporter she knew the details of the story... and like Obama responded several hours later after talking to her staff. I know Steven Goldstein well, I even like and respect him but this endorsement is a sad day for the progressive cause and that this endorsement may shed some light on what seems to me a deal for him. Edwards, Dodd, Obama, Kucinich and Richardson are all much better to the progressive community than Clinton. Hillary Clinton is just absolutley awful to progressives. Speaking for several progressives, we are sadened to see Steven make this endrosement.
Edwards/Richardson 2008
Larry Giancola
I got to know Larry Giancola while I campaigned for Kean and I know for a fact that he is a good man and a great American who served his country in Vietnam. In his hometown of Guttenberg, he is the Chairman of the Memorial Day Parade Committee and is very well liked and respected within his community.
The fact of the matter is that the majority of Democrats in this country, like Larry, do not think like Goldstein. They are a fringe left wing minority who have hijacked the once great Democratic party of Roosevelt, Truman and once upon a time, Ronald Reagan which is why they haven't been able to win elections in this country until last year when Republicans started breaking their promises to the American people by spending like liberals and Democrats ran to the right of them in order to get them out of power. Democrats only won by running away from the left and if you don't believe me, ask Ned Lamont.
Hudsonreformer2007, it's very easy to sit there and call me all sorts of childish names but like everybody else here who sees fit to do the same, you're only confirming what I have stated here. All you can do is insult and call names in an attempt to discredit those who disagree with you.
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
PAPER ORGANIZATION
This is a paper organization with no weight. How many members do they have? This guy is a PR hound and self less self promoter. This is the best she can do in New Jersey?
oops didnt mean to call names
Gay and lesbian activists and groups are some of the angriest, most miserable, hate filled, intollerant people and organizations walking the planet.
hudsonreformer2007
That's not baseless namecalling, that's the truth. Prove me wrong.
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
hey nutjob
why don't you prove that all gay and lesbian activists are miserable, hate filled, intollerant people - they just want the same rights and benefits and everyone else.
you proved your an idiot by showing what you wrote. go continue to waste space
i'm done responding
Notice something about the lefties?
None of these people are "liberals." They are all "progressives."
Structure
Garden State Equality: 28-member Board of Directors. Plus 40 District Leaders, ie one in each legislative district, who mobilize members in each district. Plus 9 Caucuses, including an African-American Caucus, Catholic Caucus, Children's Caucus, Clergy Caucus, Corporate and Professional Caucus, Couples Caucus, Labor Caucus, Latino/a Caucus and Real Estate Caucus. Each caucus has 3 cochairs and holds its own meetings. The organization endorsed 15 candidates in hotly contested primaries in June 2007, 13 of those candidates won. Since the organization's founding in 2004, New Jersey has enacted 153 LGBTI civil rights laws at the state, county and municipal levels - more LGBTI laws in less time than in any other U.S. state, ever.
Structure
Garden State Equality: 28-member Board of Directors. Plus 40 District Leaders, ie one in each legislative district, who mobilize members in each district. Plus 9 Caucuses, including an African-American Caucus, Catholic Caucus, Children's Caucus, Clergy Caucus, Corporate and Professional Caucus, Couples Caucus, Labor Caucus, Latino/a Caucus and Real Estate Caucus. Each caucus has 3 cochairs and holds its own meetings. The organization endorsed 15 candidates in hotly contested primaries in June 2007, 13 of those candidates won. Since the organization's founding in 2004, New Jersey has enacted 153 LGBTI civil rights laws at the state, county and municipal levels - more LGBTI laws in less time than in any other U.S. state, ever.
hudsonreformer2007
You're talking in circles. Thank you for finally shutting up.
Steven, where's your apology for slandering Mr. Giancola? I'm still waiting.
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
Calm Down Dino
Dino, you need to calm down and stop feeding the fire that all "progressives" stereotype Republicans as "Gay Hating Bigots".
We are all entitled to our personal beliefs, including Mr. Goldstein. That being said, I just think the system needs to work on enforcing Civil Unions and making sure employers recognize them and equal benefits are given.
If their community is just seeking Marriage for the word marriage, then I must respectfully disagree. That is a very touchy word, and religious institutions should have their say who is awarded that term. But I think it's more of an equal oppurtunity and benefits deal, and frankly I don't see a problem with that at all.
I'm also a straight white male who is a registered Republican, but the issue of Civil Unions never bothered me. I'm also not religious, so the issue of homosexuals wanting to get married never bothered me, however I feel this has to go both ways. Respect their rights and respect the rights of religious institutions.
Mr. Goldstein's endorsement is very interesting though. Shockingly, I agree with Martin, John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich are bigger champions for homosexual equality then Clinton is. (Although I doubt Edwards was this way back in 04)
backwardsjersey
If you think that I'm feeding into the "progressive" stereotype of a Republican being a "gay hating bigot" then you really don't get the point that I'm trying to make.
I also really don't care what "progressives" think because all they do is spin things and take them out of context anyway because "progressives" are liars who twist and manipulate anything and everything conservatives have to say. In other words, any "progressive" here can say whatever they want about me or Republicans in general because whether I speak up on this issue they're going to say what they want about me or Republicans in general anyway. To insinuate that what say I here gives them more ammo is quite comical.
I also find it funny that based on what I said here that everybody assumes that I hate gays which isn't true at all. I merely detest people like Steve Goldstein and his gay mafia. Anybody who thinks that I was referring to all gay people are playing into stereotypes themselves. This has everything to do with good and bad element.
As an Italian-American, I resent people assuming that all Italians are mobsters who do nothing but eat sausage and pepper sandwiches, have people whacked, watch the Sopranos and say "bada bing." Unfortunately, there is a bad element who embraces that stereotype.
That is what Steven Goldstein and people like him all over the country do by trying to force their views on an overwhelming majority of people who reject them. All it does is breed more contempt and prejudice towards gays in general and breathes new life into negative stereotypes. Once again, this is why they have to go through activist judges in the judicial system who legislate from the bench to further their agenda.
Groups like Garden State Equality look to take our freedom to criticize them by labeling people who disagree with their fringe agenda and call them out for what they are as bigots and will not be satisfied until religious freedom starts getting stripped away as well for being "homophobic." The sooner we recognize this, the better off we'll be.
Then again, as Teddy Roosevelt once said, "Americans always learn from catastrophe and never from experience."
"Any Nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one" -Alexander Hamilton
Dino, As an Italian American...
I too resent the negative stereotyping to which we are subjected. Molte grazie for bringing that up!
I strongly agree with you when you voice the demand that "proof" be cited when strong language is used.
Aside from some kind of "guilt by association" trip; I have yet to hear/see any evidence from you that Mr Goldstein is a hater or that he supports hatred in his personal or political life.
Merely calling out statements that are arguably sexist, racist and/or bigoted is not a manifestation of hated; but an expression of an opinion.
Again, quote what Goldstein has said; then build your case from that point on....I suspect he'll be happy to rebut if he disagrees with you.
That's called a debate; lets's have one. I suspect there may be less "hate" here than many of us would imagine.
Ad hominem attacks backfire in this kind forum. Can you do better?
PS It occurs to me that a formal/civil debate (on the questions of marriage equality/family values etc) between Steve Goldstein and Larry Giancola would be an edifying and even entertaining event!
Any takers???
PPS
I would prefer a Gore/Edwards ticket (if I had my druthers ;-)
From Frederick Douglass